{"id":12156,"date":"2025-02-27T00:04:43","date_gmt":"2025-02-27T00:04:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/?p=12156"},"modified":"2026-04-20T09:25:28","modified_gmt":"2026-04-20T09:25:28","slug":"a-dnd-5e-gish","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/a-dnd-5e-gish\/","title":{"rendered":"A DnD 5e Gish"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I plan to build a D&amp;D Gish, and want to document a good <em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Eldritch Knight<\/span><\/em> build. Here as ever are my notes and links. &#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Some references<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Spellsword: D&amp;D 5e Character Build\" width=\"1099\" height=\"618\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/lxTaxFY0oYc?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">By CMCC Builds<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>This video runs an Eldritch Knight to level eleven, picks up two levels of Wizard, then another fighter level, and finishes as wizard. A war mage is recommended, but blade singer seen as an option. I might use an Abjurer. The levels of wizard allow spells from all schools, ritual casting, and the writing of scrolls. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Like most spell sword\/gish builds, this relies on <a href=\"http:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/spell:shadow-blade\">Shadow Blade<\/a> and so <a href=\"https:\/\/roll20.net\/compendium\/dnd5e\/Darkvision#content\">Darkvision<\/a> becomes important\/useful, although it might be better get to <a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/warlock:eldritch-invocations#toc11\">Devil&#8217;s Sight<\/a> via <a href=\"http:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/feat:eldritch-adept\">Eldritch Adept<\/a>. Darkvision is a second level transmuter spell and so can be taken if one takes three levels of wizard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Some more<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/fighter:eldritch-knight\">Fighter:eldritch-knight<\/a> from dnd5w at wikidot<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/wizard:war-magic\">Wizard:war-magic<\/a> from dnd5w at wikidot<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/wizard:abjuration\">Wizard:abjuration<\/a> from dnd5w at wikidot<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/wizard\">https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/wizard\">Wizard<\/a> from dnd5w at wikidot<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Other takes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Another <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cbr.com\/dnd-5e-eldritch-knight-fighter-build-guide\/\">model build<\/a>, this time at CBR. This build deals with each factor of the build as a chapter, rather than focus on levels. (I like this way of doing it.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I found <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zNJYsCzpzA8\">another video<\/a> which had two good ideas at least one for another time. Firstly a wizard dip gives more cantrips and arcane recovery which given the cap on EK spells, is good. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The author of the above video, also proposed a fighter\/sorcerer build, with two levels of fighter then six of sorcerer. He takes the PSI warrior as the fighter subclass and aberrant mind sorcerer as its subclass. He takes quicken meta magic feat and proposes spell \/point swaps to keep allowing the use of the bonus action to cast spells as well as an attack. He then recommends talking some fighter levels. I need to read that with more care.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Treantmonk offers two videos, a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=GveLbR4NCuM\">generic spell focused guide<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_CJ7ASALFjE&amp;t=10s\">a specific build guide<\/a>., he also recommends <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=bRYAUnV6NGw\">a Bardlock<\/a> as the ultimate Jack of All Trades. This is quite difficult to play, they have a lot of features and DnD beyond does not represent it all well. (I need more practice).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Things I have found<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>This gets so much better at 7th level. This is where war magic and 2nd level spells kicks in, thus making <em>shadow blade<\/em> available. Booming blade (&amp; Green Flame blade) use an action and this prohibit the extra attack. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I wrote the following on a page first posted in 2018, but I suspect that this was written over a longer period. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Once I said, about Gishes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Thinking about characters has come on, obviously a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/gish\">gish<\/a> but hard to do these days if you want sword, bow &amp; spells, as you need multiple (3) prime attributes and then can be highly vulnerable to spell counter attacks. Nerdarchy<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Slc8IQb_T3c\"> talk about gishes on their youtube channel<\/a>. They\u2019re not really fans, mainly because of what I call the Aerie Syndrome, each character can only do one thing at a time, huge choice is not always good. However, when I started playing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I document Treantmonk aks Chris&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCr7N1om5-7UemjK_stlAuTw\">youtube channel called Treantmonk\u2019s Temple<\/a>, where he has published a couple of videos on how to build a wizard by sub-class, and has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LU-lFgi4NzE\">a <strong>blade singer<\/strong> build<\/a>, for which he publishes <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dndbeyond.com\/characters\/15635090\/mxZeVt\">a character sheet<\/a>., he <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/4_M9_Yz-uC0\">repeated this<\/a> when the rules were revised in Tasha\u2019s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He also <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvbVpuwWngc\">published<\/a> his ultimate gish on youtube, a Bard (17), Warlock (3) in three parts and a<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/_CJ7ASALFjE\">n Eldritch Knight guide<\/a>. I was also taken with his Evoker or blaster build, [ <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/V4yt0y28njY\">video<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dndbeyond.com\/characters\/16360828\/FK0OI7\">character sheet<\/a> ], there\u2019s some great insight in these builds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Treantmonk&#8217;s Jack of All Trades<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>He documents it in the videos, he made it three parts, here is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=xvbVpuwWngc\">No.1<\/a>; I have made some notes here as I build one to play. The Bard is a Swords Bard and the Warlock, a pact of the Blade, when I get there. The key to this is that the Warlock converts the PC into a single attribute dependency; both spells and melee depend on charisma, eventually. The swords bard means that the weapon acts as a material component for the spells and the flourishes can be used to add an inspiration dice to the damage caused. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The wikidot pages<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/warlock\">Warlock<\/a> and the <a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/warlock:hexblade\">HexBlade<\/a> at dnd5e wikidot<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/bard\">Bard<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/dnd5e.wikidot.com\/bard:swords\">Swords Bard<\/a>, at dnd5e wikidot<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Some notes I think worth remembering,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<a name=\"bardlock-hints\"><\/a>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The Warlock spells slots refresh on a short rest, one slot at 1st level, and two at 2nd &amp; 3rd. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Until third level Warlock, only one weapon uses Charisma as the enhancing attribute. One might best deal with this as three weapons if one wants bow and sword. i.e. sword, bow, and summoned weapon. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Jack of all Trades feature says, starting at 2nd level Bard, you can add half your proficiency bonus, rounded down, to any ability check you make that doesn&#8217;t already include your proficiency bonus. So +1 until Bard level nine. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Song of Rest is a Bard feature, not a subclass feature, its scale is independent of other things, i.e 1d6 to 8th level and then switches to 1d8 at 9th level, to 1d10 at 13th level, and to 1d12 at 17th level.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>See also, <a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/dungeons-dragons\/\">https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/dungeons-dragons\/<\/a>, or not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>The featured image is from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.artstation.com\/artwork\/kDnYmn\">https:\/\/www.artstation.com\/artwork\/kDnYmn<\/a>; the copyright claim is unclear, this picture is used for <a href=\".\/dave-levys-personal-wiki\/#usualreasons\">the normal reasons<\/a>. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I plan to build a D&amp;D Gish, and want to document a good Eldritch Knight build. 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