{"id":12888,"date":"2025-08-20T12:07:41","date_gmt":"2025-08-20T12:07:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/?p=12888"},"modified":"2025-11-05T18:27:23","modified_gmt":"2025-11-05T18:27:23","slug":"the-democratic-odyssey-2024","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/the-democratic-odyssey-2024\/","title":{"rendered":"The Democratic Odyssey 2024"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>In the EU Parliamentary year, 2024\/25, there was an experimental citizen&#8217;s assembly incubated by the EUI. I attended their Florence assembly 22\/2 &amp; 23\/2, and made some notes. These stayed in my notebook for too long but I have decided to make this page, which collects some reviews and views and may even have some of my notes. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>I observed syndicate group 10 or was it 6, and would thank them for explaining their views to me. I enjoyed their company.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Links<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/democraticodyssey.eui.eu\/home\">https:\/\/democraticodyssey.eui.eu\/home<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/euroalter.com\/democratic-odyssey-the-campaign\/\">https:\/\/euroalter.com\/democratic-odyssey-the-campaign\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/kalypsonicolaidis.com\/future-of-europe\/\">https:\/\/kalypsonicolaidis.com\/future-of-europe\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicdeliberation.net\/the-democratic-odyssey-design-innovations-in-transnational-deliberation\/\">https:\/\/www.publicdeliberation.net\/the-democratic-odyssey-design-innovations-in-transnational-deliberation\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/euroalter.com\/report-on-dissemination-event-for-ordinary-citizens\/\">https:\/\/euroalter.com\/report-on-dissemination-event-for-ordinary-citizens\/<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">My views and comments<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The group I chose to observe had the problem of comparing and contrasting the role of IT in enabling citizens in politics or whether its excludes real conversations and solidarity. This wasn&#8217;t a group equipped to offer their lived experience on this question and came to be dominated by the best English speakers, both of whom, I think had attended the previous assembly in Athens. Neither the facilitators nor the participants had been trained in &#8216;brainstorming&#8217; which made building and sharing ideas very difficult.  The lack of &#8216;experts&#8217; which is often part of citizen&#8217;s assemblies was also absent (or maybe limited). They did have some knowledgeable speakers from the platform but its not the same. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>These weaknesses in execution, reinforce to me that Citizens&#8217; assemblies must echo the lived experience of its participants, and sometimes this will be expertise, at other times it will be the societal estrangement of people or communities. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Day one was held in the Palazzo Vechio, very grand. Here are my notes,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Politicians aren\u2019t accountable &amp; don&#8217;t consult. Not even their parties.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There has been a breakdown of solidarity<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Democracy is not taught, (and neither is listening).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There&#8217;s an unanswered question of how to balance freedom and safety. (Is this an IT question?)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Parties co-opt individuals and special interests dominate politics.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There is a lack of trust in politics at both the macro and micro level. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There is a lack of trust in the technology in both Western and Eastern Europe<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We performed a drama exercise, a mime, to try and demonstrate &#8220;Solidarity vs Scale&#8221;. I found this deeply uncomfortable, but by eliminating the spoken word, it was in fact more democratic.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Humans in control, decisions must be transparent and auditable, and thus open source. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Do safe spaces require moderation and\/or the prohibition of hate speech?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We discussed EU directives vs regulations as enabling local tuning.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Everyone is obsessed with AI, although the AI Act looks good. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>I say, this is just more software, but equally obscure. (Since writing this, the chatbots are getting better at quoting their sources. )<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We were addressed by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.azmanova.com\/\">https:\/\/www.azmanova.com\/<\/a> who said some good things, she teaches in the UK and so I thought I might catch up with her in the UK, but didn&#8217;t.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>The second day was held at the University EUI campus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>While the assembly was built using sortition, those present are still self selecting.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The space was sub-optimal. It was noisy and there was no circulation space.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>On the second day, the contrast between expert info and lived experience was more acute<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Should &#8220;critical thinking be taught&#8221;?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>On the feed back, the time limits should have been communicated in advance, although whether that would have helped is another matter. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>One of the groups highlighted the need for dignity for migrants<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>One of the groups spoke of Inclusivity vs Efficiency which I have noted that Meyer&#8217;s work on cultire and business communication might be relevant. I have <a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/meyers-cultural-map\/\">commented <\/a>on her work on my blog. <\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>The facilitation team created <a href=\"https:\/\/pol.is\/8h48cmhr7w\">a pol.is presentation\/board<\/a>. to collect consensus <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Some notes made by me from informal conversations,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>There was seen to be a need for common rules for political inclusion to include non-citizen residents and to have a level of immutability to ensure against gerrymandering.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The group was not capable of discussing the trade offs in using IT vs. real-world meetings. They retreated to their comfort zones of knowledge and even then often exposing a lack of knowledge about the European Union. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>In the management of Citizen&#8217;s assemblies, how to select topics, and politically, do we need term limits and recall.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>I discussed UK rejoining, my Slovenian &amp; Greek correspondents want us back possibly because of the UK defence capability. But, the idea we might rejoin without freedom of movement was greeted with horror.  <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>When a member state, I trusted the EU to get monopoly regulation right, but too many people here do not know what it does, can this be fixed?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">ooOOOoo<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Featured image: Florence Skyline via Unsplash. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the EU Parliamentary year, 2024\/25, there was an experimental citizen&#8217;s assembly incubated by the EUI. I attended their Florence assembly 22\/2 &amp; 23\/2, and made some notes. 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