{"id":3604,"date":"2018-04-10T22:54:26","date_gmt":"2018-04-10T22:54:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wiki.davelevy.info\/?p=3604"},"modified":"2025-05-23T16:05:25","modified_gmt":"2025-05-23T16:05:25","slug":"fragment-on-machines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/fragment-on-machines\/","title":{"rendered":"Fragment on machines"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I think I&#8217;ll try and get to grip with this, but Marx is very hard read. I am also particularly interested in his views on General Intellect, it seems he agrees that software should be free, but then he also thought that workers should run the state. The fragment on machines is part of the Grundrisse. Here are my notes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>I revisited this page in May 25, pushed by my thinking on LLMs\/AI. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Marx&#8217;s words<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The fragment is <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/TheFragmentOnMachinesKarlMarx\">available on the way back machine<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/drive.google.com\/file\/d\/11iyw-NymTwVOC7F9n4Zz5PkQgmUAWkuu\/view?usp=sharing\">mirrored on my google drive<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is also available at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marxists.org\/archive\/marx\/works\/1857\/grundrisse\/ch13.htm\">Chapter 13 of the Grundrisse<\/a> on marxists.com and at <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20170420163528\/http:\/\/autonomousuniversity.org:80\/content\/general-intellect\"> this link, &#8220;General Intellect&#8221; again from the autonomous university<\/a> also on the wayback machine. Further copies are at <a href=\"http:\/\/thenewobjectivity.com\/pdf\/marx.pdf\">http:\/\/thenewobjectivity.com\/pdf\/marx.pdf<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200714233034\/http:\/\/celunde.poweredbyclear.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/General-intellect.pdf\">http:\/\/celunde.poweredbyclear.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/General-intellect.pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Commentaries<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>When making <a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/mystorify\/The%20next%20evolution%20of%20Capitalism.html\">my storify, the next evolution of capitalism<\/a>, , I came across this, &#8220;What the hell <a href=\"https:\/\/crashcourse666.wordpress.com\/2006\/05\/23\/is-the-fragment-on-machines\/\">&#8230; is the fragment on machines&#8221;<\/a>&nbsp;by Nate Hawthorne<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I was pointed at this recently,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20190212125250\/http:\/\/eipcp.net:80\/transversal\/1106\/raunig\/en\">A Few Fragments on Machines<\/a>&nbsp;by Gerald Raunig, he looks at Marx and some successors, this needs to be read, but is possibly a simpler read.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Another article, <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@cryppix\/fragments-on-machines-68bc313c7c2d\">A Few Fragments on Machines<\/a> which seems to share some of the same words, although on closer inspection they seem to be quote. This is on Medium by Tom Chatfield and is possibly the easiest read I have found.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>I am pointed at &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Relations_of_production\">Relations of Production<\/a>&#8221; on wikipedia, &#8220;By &#8220;relations of production&#8221;, Marx and Engels meant the sum total of social relationships that people <i>must<\/i> enter into in order to survive, to produce, and to reproduce their means of life.&#8221;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@MichaelMcBride\/did-karl-marx-predict-artificial-intelligence-170-years-ago-4fd7c23505ef\">Did Karl Marx predict artificial intelligence 170 years ago<\/a> by @MichaelMcBride on Medium<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Mason, in post capitalism, mentions it. It&#8217;s indexed under General Intellect.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I found <a title=\"Paul Mason: From Revolutionary Marxism to Radical Social Democracy and the Workers\u2019 Bomb.\" href=\"https:\/\/tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com\/2016\/04\/08\/paul-mason-from-revolutionary-marxism-to-radical-social-democracy-and-the-workers-bomb-2\/\">this<\/a> at tendancecoatsy, which while it&#8217;s main purpose seems to be having a laugh at the proponents of the worker&#8217;s bomb does look at some of the theory proposing a post proletariat productive class, but not why it&#8217;s happening and with some distaste.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Martin Thomas, edited <a href=\"https:\/\/www.workersliberty.org\/files\/2020-01\/531.pdf\">a pamphlet called, Automation and the working class<\/a>, depending on your edition, they reproduce the fragment <a href=\"https:\/\/drive.google.com\/file\/d\/1S1ZfM7wHp5HzstAxGa53uQpoOGsk2rY5\/view?usp=sharing\">on page 2<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">A very public sociologist<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Phil Burton Cartledge writes about it and points to one of his sources,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com\/2018\/05\/marx-and-fragment-on-machines.html\">Marx and the fragement on machines<\/a> by Phil BC, on his blog<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Phil <a title=\"in an article on why Jeremy Corbyn's new electoral coalition is sustainable and necessary\" href=\"https:\/\/averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com\/2017\/06\/labour-and-21st-century-class-politics.html\">mentions Negri and immaterial labour<\/a>, and in a further article talks of Hardt &amp; Negria and <a href=\"https:\/\/averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com\/2017\/08\/beyond-class-and-identity-politics.html\">the supplanting of the making of things with the making if relationships<\/a>&nbsp;again on his blog. He&#8217;s also written <a href=\"https:\/\/averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com\/2017\/08\/beyond-class-and-identity-politics.html\">this, on the Commons and identity politics<\/a>, in which he references Cognitive Capital by&nbsp;Yann Moulier Boutang.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Phil says,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8230; <acronym title=\"the falling amount of socially necessary labour\">this<\/acronym> is a problem because the average amount of what Marx calls&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.marxists.org\/glossary\/terms\/n\/e.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">socially necessary labour<\/a>&nbsp;by humans that goes into a commodity is the basis of its value: it is the key lynchpin of how capitalism works. Therefore capital&#8217;s drive to raise the rate of exploitation, to increase its share of surplus value is, over the long-term, driving value down. If production becomes entirely automated then no labour time is necessary, and value itself collapses. The problem is as automation gathers pace, so immaterial labour and its production of intangible commodities involves an acceleration of this decline of value.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Hardt &amp; Negri<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Phil BC in his writing points at Hardt &amp; Negri&#8217;s Empire trilogy, (Empire, Multitude and Commonwealth) and I <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hup.harvard.edu\/catalog.php?isbn=9780674006713&amp;content=reviews\">link to Harvard University Press&#8217;s review collection<\/a> and also at\u00a0Yann Moulier Boutang&#8217;s Cognitive Capitalism. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I found <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20221206174344\/https:\/\/tropicsofmeta.com\/2016\/07\/25\/cognitive-capitalism-what-is-it-if-anything\/\">this review of the road to a General Theory of the Knowledge Economy<\/a> which mentions their ideas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Image Credit:<\/strong> CC 3.0 BalticServers.com 2013 BY-SA<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I think I&#8217;ll try and get to grip with this, but Marx is very hard read. 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