{"id":829,"date":"2010-05-05T07:32:01","date_gmt":"2010-05-05T07:32:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wiki.davelevy.info\/?p=829"},"modified":"2023-10-14T15:50:41","modified_gmt":"2023-10-14T15:50:41","slug":"nwn-playing-a-wizard","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/nwn-playing-a-wizard\/","title":{"rendered":"NWN Playing a Wizard"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Some&nbsp;notes on Playing a Mage in the NWN Official Campaign. I made her an <em>Evoker<\/em>. An extra spell per level, but you lose <em>&#8220;Summoning&#8221;<\/em>. I have never played a wizard under wither V2 or V3 rules, and it&#8217;s really changed. I need to check up on the offence, defence, buffing, protection and counterspells. About the specialisation, despite losing summoning, neither <em>Shades<\/em> nor <em>Mordenkian&#8217;s Sword<\/em> are summoned, it would seem. This article contains<a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/bioware-community-forums-v1\/\"> broken Bioware links<\/a>.<!--more--><\/p>\n<h3>Chapter One<\/h3>\n<p>It looks like you <acronym title=\"I say must, I am sure there are other ways of doing it\">must<\/acronym> take a fighter as henchman (<strong>Daelen<\/strong> or <strong>Grimgnaw<\/strong>), and I&#8217;m using a Pixie as familiar to get the thieving. I may change later for chapters with less thieving required, but I like the Pixie.<\/p>\n<p>Here are two of my hints,<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>get some potions of Bull&#8217;s strength to do Halueth Never&#8217;s tomb, as a wizard, you&#8217;re unlikely to be able to carry the treasure otherwise.<\/li>\n<li>The first time through <b>Eltoora&#8217;s<\/b> automaton was very hard; I was being very thick. The 2nd time through with a bard, I discovered the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.uhs-hints.com\/uhsweb\/hints\/nwn\/229.php\">UHS hint file cheese<\/a>. When you get the quest, <b>Eltoora<\/b> gives the reagents you need to collect an order, this is not about the order to collect them.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The final level of Helm&#8217;s Hold is difficult as a Wizard. I started a Bioware thread <del>here&#8230;<\/del>, and <b>Xenshail<\/b> of RPGdungeon pointed me at <del>this <\/del>and <del>this<\/del>, both at Bioware. The first of these is quite long and detailed and discusses potions and cheating, the second not so useful as it focuses on the &#8216;Ritual Creatures&#8217;. <del>This thread<\/del> at Bioware forums documents how to rest on the top floor. I didn&#8217;t think this was possible. So once I learned how to rest on the top floor, it became much easier, <del>this thread<\/del> at rpgdungeons describes what I did. Make sure all your spell slots are full, and take dismissal for the Skeleton Chief. Use protection from elements sensibly i.e. on the target for Desther&#8217;s flame strike. Use the area effect damage causing spells on the ritual creatures and then you&#8217;re there.I used the forge to create some armour and the &#8216;Harbinger Kin&#8217; greatsword but I wonder if I should have kept one of the diamonds for <b>Chapter 3.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2480\" src=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/3117083216_3f5ea631b5_o.png\" alt=\"3117083216_3f5ea631b5_o\" width=\"480\" height=\"320\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/3117083216_3f5ea631b5_o.png 480w, https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/3117083216_3f5ea631b5_o-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 480px) 100vw, 480px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><center><\/center>About the picture above, I used an ipodtouch running VNC to take the picture to prove it was possible and <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.davelevy.info\/2008\/12\/17\/how-nomadic-can-one-get-vnc-for-all\/\">blogged about it<\/a> on my sun blog and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/davelevy\/3117083216\/\">posted it to flickr<\/a> so others could admire it.<\/p>\n<h3>Chapter 2<\/h3>\n<p>The <b>goblin &amp; ogre<\/b> caves are fun. This is what being a wizard is meant to be about. (They die easily, fireball and sleep work like they&#8217;re meant to.)<\/p>\n<p>You can&#8217;t repeat Eltoora&#8217;s recipes in her Lab.<\/p>\n<p><b>Brother Toras<\/b><a name=\"brotor\"><\/a>, the guardian of <i>the Arcane Brotherhood&#8217;s tomb<\/i> is again very difficult. See the notes on my <a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/nwn-walkthroughs\/#brotor\">NWN Walkthrough<\/a> pages. I have used <b>Dealan<\/b> as my henchman for most of this journey, and for this fight. It is obvious that using <b>Linu<\/b> as your henchman makes this fight much easier; she can turn undead and go toe to toe with the Zombie Lords. I also sub-classed the <i>Mage<\/i> and can&#8217;t summon monsters or animals, I was level 12 when I reached this fight and get a bunch of extra spells because of the sub class. What I did,<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>buff myself and the party including potions of clarity, any protection against elements and maximise various anti-magic protection using the <i>Many Starred Cloak<\/i>, Scarabs of Protection and I had a Protection against Elements &amp; Spells scroll. (The latter I avoided using in the last fight.) <b>Dealan<\/b> wore a Scarab of Protection, not an amulet of Armour.<\/li>\n<li>take a shed load of Dispel Magic scroll spells and use these on the Zombie Lords but most importantly on <b>Brother Toras<\/b>. His protections will be dispelled and <b>Dealan<\/b> can then hurt him, sadly the AI is such that he doesn&#8217;t use the potions to stay alive.<\/li>\n<li>but what I used to kill\/destroy him was the Finger of Death spell. He is not immune to death magic. (This hint was given to me in this thread, Help with Brother Toras at the Vault.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Some people on the Bioware board, suggest that you try <del>and lure them out one at a time<\/del>, but I couldn&#8217;t make this work, they were too clever for that, maybe the AI enhancement mod. Also, the summoned Shadow was pretty useless against the Zombie Lords, it used a negative energy attack, which wasn&#8217;t good, but it did delay some of the other undead for about 2 secs.<a name=\"hosttower\"><\/a>I have now entered the <b>Host Tower.<\/b> The 4th Level with <b>Rimardo Domine<\/b>, which I have always found very hard as a fighter type was really easy, I buffed up my <i>Mage<\/i> with <i>Protection from Evil, Ghostly Visage<\/i> and <i>Mage Armour<\/i> and by the time I entered his sanctum the <i>Iron Golem<\/i> had been destroyed by Golem from the summoning chamber. Electricity spells to kill the henchmen and <i>Mordenkian&#8217;s Sword<\/i> to protect me from the elemental, by the time Rimardo attacks, its simple to use a <i>Dispel Magic<\/i> to remove his protections and <b>Dealan<\/b> just does the rest.<\/p>\n<p>I wonder whether <i>Mordenkian&#8217;s Sword<\/i> scales with the caster.<\/p>\n<p>I also had fun on the 5th level, where I had difficulty destroying the magical brazier that imprisons <b>Nymphithys<\/b>; a mage&#8217;s strength is too poor to <i>bash<\/i> the brazier. I <i>polymorphed<\/i> into an <b>Umber Hulk<\/b>. The <i>Battle Devourers<\/i> seem much easier as well. <b>Dealan<\/b> seems to be a monster, and when working with <b>Mordenkian&#8217;s sword<\/b> they do a lot of damage and most importantly, hit it often. I think he used a <i>potion of speed<\/i> as well.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1262\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1262\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a title=\"Click for full size image, hosted here\" href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/evianneasumberhulk.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1262 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/evianneasumberhulk-1024x819.png\" alt=\"polymorph self\" width=\"640\" height=\"512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/evianneasumberhulk-1024x819.png 1024w, https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/evianneasumberhulk-300x240.png 300w, https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/evianneasumberhulk.png 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1262\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Evianne turns into an Umberhulk, to bash the torch imprisoning Nymphithys<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>On the 6th floor <b>Valindra Shadowmantle<\/b> is also easier, provided you&#8217;re prepared. However, on the 7th, there is a <i>Lich<\/i>, which has just stopped me. (I don&#8217;t remember that from my fighter runs.)<\/p>\n<p>I returned to the walkthrough after several years, although I have been playing the game, and I can&#8217;t remember how I beat it, but beat it I did. I checked that my spell memory was full, and then I think I performed an extreme buff, <strong>Daelen<\/strong> wore the <em>Scarab of Protection<\/em> and I used a<em> Protection from Spells scroll<\/em>. This kept <strong>Dealan<\/strong> alive as he could now survive the death spell attack. <em>(My notes aren&#8217;t good enough to know if I attempted to use the wizard to strip the Lich of it&#8217;s magical protection or if I just piled in the energy attacks. Shame.)<\/em><\/p>\n<h3>Chapter 3<\/h3>\n<p>Memorise &#8220;<em>Dominate Person<\/em>&#8221; or take a scroll before exploring the <b>Wizard&#8217;s Lab<\/b>. Eltoora sells a <i>Rod of Beguiling<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>In the Creator Ruins, the Old Ones have some form of <em>Magic Resistance<\/em>&#8230;.this needs a knowledge of the spells that have no saving throw as Magic Resistance is implemented as Save = Yes.&nbsp; I found that <em>Finger of Death<\/em> got through as does <em>Phantasmal Killer<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Some of the saves are will and reflex, and I am not sure how&nbsp; MR helps these.<\/p>\n<h3>Chapter 4<\/h3>\n<p>At some point around here I got <a title=\"Bigby's Clenched Fist at the Forgotten Realms Wikia\" href=\"http:\/\/forgottenrealms.wikia.com\/wiki\/Bigby%27s_Clenched_Fist\"><em>Bigby&#8217;s Clenched Fist<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>During chapter 3 and chapter 4,&nbsp; I moved towards my favoured style, which is why I chose an evoker. I like spells that do a shed load of HP damage. I have been taking <em>maximised cone of cold<\/em>, <em>prismatic spray<\/em> and <em>bigby&#8217;s clenched fist<\/em>, which is great against spell casters. I am a bit short of <em>dispels<\/em> and <em>dismissals<\/em>, for defence I use<em> etheral visage<\/em> and <em>stoneskin<\/em>, it&#8217;s been enough for most of the chapter.<\/p>\n<p>The <em>Balor<\/em> went down fast; <em>aid<\/em>, <em>bless<\/em>, <strong>Dealan<\/strong> <em>hasted<\/em>, <em>Mordenkian&#8217;s Sword<\/em> , <em>Prismatic Spray<\/em>, of course but <strong>Dealan<\/strong> mainly.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1265\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1265\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-and-the-Balor.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1265 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-and-the-Balor-1024x819.png\" alt=\"Evianne and the Balor\" width=\"640\" height=\"512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-and-the-Balor-1024x819.png 1024w, https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-and-the-Balor-300x240.png 300w, https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-and-the-Balor.png 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1265\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Evianne and friends fight the Balor<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>And we finally reach the source stone.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-at-the-Source-Stone-2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-849 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-at-the-Source-Stone-2-1024x819.png\" alt=\"Evianne at the Source Stone 2\" width=\"640\" height=\"512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-at-the-Source-Stone-2-1024x819.png 1024w, https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-at-the-Source-Stone-2-300x240.png 300w, https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Evianne-at-the-Source-Stone-2.png 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The magician&#8217;s controlling the war golems were a bit hard, as are the Old One&#8217;s with Magic Resistance inside the Source Stone, <em>Polymorph<\/em> and <em>Tenser&#8217;s Transformation<\/em> work there. The key here is to preserve magic capability for the final encounter.<\/p>\n<h3>Endgame, inside the Source Stone<\/h3>\n<p>I left this for a couple of months, is it dread? I know the last fight is hard; I know the mage can dish it out big time, but only over a short period, and getting to that last chamber means defeating a bunch of &#8220;Old Ones&#8221;, who all have <a href=\"http:\/\/nwn.wikia.com\/wiki\/Spell_resistance\">spell resistance<\/a> and protections against damage. Should I have taken <a href=\"http:\/\/nwn.wikia.com\/wiki\/Spell_penetration\">spell penetration<\/a> as a feat? So we need innate abilities, wish I could summon? Also above, I discovered somewhere that MR is implemented as &#8220;Save = Yes&#8221;, so the hint is that MR will not protect you against Spells with no saving throw, although writing this, it seems a huge bug, since many spell saves diminish the spell damage, not totally obviate it. Anyway time to move on! See also &#8220;Understanding Spell Resistance&#8221;<\/p>\n<h3>Overall<\/h3>\n<p>The game goes through some easy stages and then some harder stages. As ever mixed parties of class aquiring monsters, drow, humans, and dark dwarves are hard. I have not often played higher level dungeons before and so moving through the effectivness of a spell&#8217;s use is new. For instance Fireball is great when you first get it, but as you meet monsters with more Hit Points, and resitance to magic and fire, it becomes less usefull. The empowered and enhanced spells help extend the useful life of these spells, but the new spells always seem so useful.<\/p>\n<p>Does Fireball have a level limit? The scrolls, wands and spells should. Some fights are set up to be hard for a Mage and some to be deadly for the Henchman.<\/p>\n<p>One of the best spells I have not used before in NWN nor PnP is <a title=\"Bigby's Clenched Fist at the forgotten realms wikia\" href=\"http:\/\/forgottenrealms.wikia.com\/wiki\/Bigby%27s_Clenched_Fist\">Bigby&#8217;s Clenched Fist<\/a>. It both Kills and Immobilises, but only one character.<\/p>\n<p>It seems that you must build a flexible spell book; my preference for the use of mqassive energy disruptions is limited and the authors of NWN seem to create a bunch of balanced and differing monsters. Too many undead to rely on enchantment, some of the &#8216;bosses&#8217; require exotic death magic. Any way a challange for me!<\/p>\n<p>The key seems to be to know what works, and in the words of the song<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>know when to hold &#8217;em, know when to fold &#8217;em, know when to walk away and know when to run.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>i.e. to know when to maximise defence, and when to maximise offence. The mage is a bit poor on defending the party, I have become over reliant on potions of aid and bless. (I think I have failed to learn and use Bull&#8217;s Strength and the Consitution enhancing spell.)&nbsp; In this party, we have only potions for healing.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some&nbsp;notes on Playing a Mage in the NWN Official Campaign. I made her an Evoker. An extra spell per level, but you lose &#8220;Summoning&#8221;. I have never played a wizard under wither V2 or V3 rules, and it&#8217;s really changed. I need to check up on the offence, defence, buffing, protection and counterspells. 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