{"id":8921,"date":"2023-09-21T18:19:20","date_gmt":"2023-09-21T18:19:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/?p=8921"},"modified":"2024-04-16T15:54:00","modified_gmt":"2024-04-16T15:54:00","slug":"labours-turning-point","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/wiki\/labours-turning-point\/","title":{"rendered":"Labour&#8217;s turning point?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Over the second half of September, a couple of things happened with respect to the Labour Party&#8217;s position on relations with the EU. I want to write something punchy, and made this page to collect my sources and shape m thoughts. This may not be easy to read because it as yet has no narrative. Enjoy!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Starmer&#8217;s speech in Montreal<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thelondoneconomic.com\/politics\/labour-would-seek-much-better-brexit-deal-from-brussels-starmer-357363\/\">Starmer reported<\/a> in the London Economic [ also reported  also in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/politics\/2023\/sep\/17\/keir-starmer-commits-to-rewriting-brexit-deal-if-labour-wins-election\">the Guardian<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/6bdc4e88-c2ed-44ad-aa7d-c70bc358e027\">the FT<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/politics\/2023\/sep\/16\/labour-wants-new-eu-links-in-a-reset-of-british-foreign-policy?utm_source=eml&amp;utm_medium=emlf&amp;utm_campaign=MK_SU_EuropeLaunchSepNoAsk200923UKROWCanvas&amp;utm_term=Email_UK_NoAsk&amp;utm_content=variantA\">Lammy <\/a>made speeches stressing the importance of EU relations and Starmer made it clear that he&#8217;s looking to improve the FT&amp;C agreement while remaining outside the single market and customs union. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The original position developed last year, expressed by Lammy in <a href=\"https:\/\/ukandeu.ac.uk\/david-lammy-mp-keynote-labour-vision-for-britain-in-the-world-after-brexit\/\">a speech to UK and EU<\/a>. mirroring <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/uk\/politics\/brexit-opportunities-keir-starmer-labour-b2014643.html\">Starmer&#8217;s speech<\/a> days earlier. It included a phrase that is continued in use by the Labour front bench today. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>The questions that divided us for half a decade have been settled. We will not re-join the Single Market or the Customs Union.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>I <a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/lammy-on-the-eu-ftc\/\">comment on the Lammy speech<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/uk\/politics\/brexit-opportunities-keir-starmer-labour-b2014643.html\">the Starmer speech<\/a> [<a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/not-for-50-years\/\">my comments<\/a>] made about the same time. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<style>\nbutton {width: 230px;}\n\n.modal {\n    display: none; \/* Hidden by default *\/\n    position: fixed; \/* Stay in place *\/ z-index: 1; \/* Sit on top *\/\n    left: 2; top: 2;  padding-top: 100px; \/* Location of the box *\/\n    width: 80%; \/* Full width *\/ \n   overflow: auto; \/* Enable scroll if needed *\/\n    background-color: rgb(0,0,0); \/* Fallback color *\/\n    background-color: rgba(0,0,0,0.4); \/* Black w\/ opacity *\/}\n        \n\/* Modal Content *\/\n.modal-content { background-color: #fefefe; margin: 5px; font-size: 80%; padding: 5px; width: 95%; border: 1px solid #888; }      \n\/* The Close Button *\/\n.close { color: #aaaaaa; float: right; font-size: 28px; font-weight: bold; }    \n.close:hover, .close:focus { color: #000; text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer; }\n    \n.modal-content2 {\n    background-color: #fefefe; margin: auto; padding: 20px; border: 1px solid #888;\n    width: 95%; }\n.close2 { color: #aaaaaa; float: right; font-size: 28px; font-weight: bold; }\n.close2:hover, .close2:focus { color: #000; text-decoration: none;cursor: pointer; }\n\n.modal-content3 { background-color: #fefefe; margin: auto; padding: 20px; border: 1px solid #888; height: 100%;\n    width: 95%; }\n.close3 { color: #aaaaaa; float: right; font-size: 28px; font-weight: bold; }\n.close3:hover, .close2:focus { color: #000; text-decoration: none;cursor: pointer; }\n\n.scroll-box { width: 650px; \/* maximum width of the box, feel free to change this! *\/ overflow-x: scroll; white-space: nowrap;     }\n<\/style>\n\n\n\n<p>The Lammy speech includes the following (in the modal) which sums up, in Lammy&#8217;s words the Starmer\/Lammy plan to &#8220;Fix Brexit&#8221;. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<button id=\"myBtn\">Press to see Lammy&#8217;s summary of the 5 point plan<\/button>\n<div id=\"myModal\" class=\"modal\">\n<!-- Modal content -->\n<div class=\"modal-content\">\n<p><span class=\"close\">\u00d7<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 120%;\">The&nbsp;&nbsp;F i v e&nbsp;&nbsp; P o i n t&nbsp;&nbsp;Plan<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 102%;\">A Labour government would seek an agri-food agreement to improve the flow of food, and help our exporters.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 102%;\">We would seek regulatory equivalence for financial services\u2026 and strengthen mutual recognition of professional qualifications\u2026 because we need to give our world-leading financial and professional service businesses the ability to grow further.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 102%;\">We would also aim to maintain Britain\u2019s data adequacy status. So that our data protection rules would continue to be deemed equivalent to those in the EU. This would make UK digital services companies more competitive. And more successful.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 102%;\">We would negotiate an improved long-term deal for UK hauliers to ease the supply chain problems that are holding us back.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 102%;\">We would secure association to the Horizon funding programme, so we restore our leading role in scientific collaboration.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 102%;\">And restore visa-free touring for musicians\u2026so our cultural impact on the world can continue to be oversized.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 102%;\">These steps are common sense.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 102%;\"><em>David Lammy MP speech to UK in a changing Europe<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>In my words, improving food import rules, i.e. <acronym title=\"animal and plant agricultural products\">veterinary and phyto-sanitary products<\/acronym>, complete the <acronym title=\"this has still not been done it seems, there is an agreement, see https:\/\/is.gd\/Ec4UZL, to talk about things and the critical decision is that euro settlements and clearing must be conducted in euro-land; this is not likely to change again.\">financial services equivalence agreement<\/acronym>, maintain the data adequacy agreement, [some] professional qualification recognition, to allow UK professional services consultants to work in the EU, and permitting our creatives to tour Europe on a single visa. The amendments to the freedom of labour or lack of it are one sided and unlikely to be agreed without some form of reciprocity. Cakeism or Extraw\u00fcrst, take your choice. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does the Starmer speech from last week signify a change in tack?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One clue that it might is reported <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/4b7f862e-3c81-4f34-8013-12f51fe32b01\">by the FT (\u00a3 (-))<\/a>, &#8220;Keir Starmer vows to strike a UK migrants \u2018return agreement\u2019 with EU&#8221;. This would be an extension of his five point plan. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At the same time as the EU issued its Sailing the Seas document (see below) , and Starmer repeated his &#8220;not in 50 years&#8221; mantra, UK in a Changing Europe <a href=\"https:\/\/ukandeu.ac.uk\/research-papers\/reviewing-the-trade-and-cooperation-agreement\/\">published a report<\/a> called Reviewing the Trade and Cooperation Agreement: potential paths; I have not yet read it. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I was also <a href=\"https:\/\/threadreaderapp.com\/thread\/1704018628113309757.html\">pointed at this thread<\/a> on twitter, where Mujtaba Rahman argues that what Starmer says today is not as important as events; he also argues that the red lines will give Starmer room to do deals on a number of issues, such as foreign &amp; security policy co-operation, fish, serious &amp; substantive engagement with the \u201cEuropean Political Community\u201d together with an acknowledgement that reducing trade friction means alignment\/rule taking and even recognition that migration deal means co-op at EU level on a returns agreement. There is no evidence that Starmer is ready to work on intra-competency issues, except migration. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is cclear that Labour&#8217;s front bench and its allies are articulating the value of the UK&#8217;s contribution to issues beyond the competency of the EU, although they are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eeas.europa.eu\/eeas\/strategic-compass-security-and-defence-1_en\">looking at defence<\/a>, and other security domains.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What about the EU?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Whatever, it needs to be seen in the context of the EU&#8217;s consideration of its own reform which is being pushed by its enlargement and democratisation agenda. See also, the Franco-German <a title=\"this one hosted by politico.eu\" href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/19\/Paper-EU-reform.pdf\">proposals<\/a>, <strong>\u201cSailing on High Seas: Reforming and Enlarging the EU for the 21st Century\u201d<\/strong> for a multispeed &amp; streamlined Europe. This is <a href=\"https:\/\/institutdelors.eu\/en\/publications\/sailing-on-high-seas-reforming-and-enlarging-the-eu-for-the-21st-century\/\">commented on<\/a> by institute jacques delors. I ask &#8220;What impact  will that have on the UK should it elect a Labour Government?&#8221;  Labour&#8217;s <a title=\"Jonathan Reynolds told the Sky News Politics Hub with Sophie Ridge that while his party wants to improve the Tories' Brexit deal if it gets into office, joining a \" version=\"\" of=\"\" the=\"\" block=\"\" was=\"\" not=\"\" being=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/news.sky.com\/story\/labour-not-interested-in-associate-eu-membership-12965317\">first reaction<\/a> is that it is not relevant, they are not interested in &#8220;associate membership&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Although Paul seems to <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/Bickerrecord\/status\/1704158832430047583?s=20\">think there&#8217;s legs in it<\/a>, or something similar, although he suggests a bi-lateral treaty where it looks like the EU may offer something else. I need something about bi-lateralism and governance i.e. with bi-lateralism, there is 121 conversations, and governance is between two parties, which rather ignores the need for the EU to develop a collective mandate but on paper, I can see why the Tories wanted it however, it doesn&#8217;t exist anywhere else such as the WTO, or CPTPP. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I also need to check <a href=\"https:\/\/state-of-the-union.ec.europa.eu\/index_en\">Von der Leyen&#8217;s State of the Union speech<\/a>. It also focuses on enlargement and maybe migration. See also <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20240328234618\/https:\/\/home-affairs.ec.europa.eu\/policies\/migration-and-asylum\/new-pact-migration-and-asylum_en\">the EU&#8217;s new-pact-migration-and-asylum<\/a>  page.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Committee of 12&#8217;s report refers to the number of MEPs and <a href=\"https:\/\/drive.google.com\/file\/d\/1HHxMfOUpRURl2NL4rdC0kdxTJnUJ-m79\/view?usp=drive_link\">the Cambridge Compromise<\/a>, which has a ceiling and floor and implements regressive proportionality for each member state and thus its citizen\/residents, within these limits. I last looked at this in a blog article <a href=\"https:\/\/davelevy.info\/one-person-one-vote\/\">&#8220;One Person\/One Vote&#8221;<\/a> which actually showed that the then implementation did not seem to meet the rules of the compromise. (Or perhaps I did the sums wrong.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<script>\n\/\/ Get the modal  \nfunction showmodal (id,bid, cid) {\n\n    var modal = document.querySelector(id);\n    var btn = document.querySelector(bid);\n    var span = document.querySelector(cid);\n\n    btn.addEventListener(\"click\", function () {\n        modal.style.display = \"block\";\n    });\n\n    span.onclick = function () { modal.style.display = \"none\"; }\n    \/\/ When the user clicks anywhere outside of the modal, close it\n    window.addEventListener(\"click\", function (event) {\n        \/\/console.log(event.target);\n        if (event.target == modal) {\n            modal.style.display = \"none\";\n        }\n    });\n}\n<\/script>\n\n<script>\nshowmodal(\"#myModal\",\"#myBtn\",\".close\"); \nshowmodal(\"#myModal2\",\"#myBtn2\",\".close2\");\nshowmodal(\"#myModal3\",\"#myBtn3\",\".close3\");\n<\/script>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Back in the UK<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>See also, the UK in a changing Europe, <a href=\"https:\/\/ukandeu.ac.uk\/labours-brexit-policy-faces-a-hard-collision-with-reality\/\">Labour&#8217;s-brexit-policy-faces a hard collision with reality<\/a>  <em>22 Sep 2023<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And the Tories in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/politics\/2023\/dec\/14\/david-cameron-says-heat-and-anger-gone-from-uk-eu-relationship\">a speech by Cameron<\/a>, the Foreign Secretary, to <a href=\"https:\/\/parliamentlive.tv\/Event\/Index\/f111b93d-e086-4be8-9fd8-37a3c7476c89\">the European Affairs committee<\/a>,  are playing down divergence, and playing up relationships. 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