On Citizens’ Assemblies

Labour Conference 2019 from the balcony

“Your Party”’s decision to make their founding conference a sortition selected meeting is causing some interest, although often from observers. The two articles to/on which I am replying and commenting are Against sortition by Michael Chessum at Prometheus and For democracy, against sortition by Will Roberts in Solidarity. In this article, I look at their arguments and their proposals for democratic engagement, and then look at how sortition selected citizen assemblies can improve decision making and democratic engagement. I feel there is a danger of losing the good in citizens’ assemblies within the polemic of democratic power.

Sortition and politics

Both articles promote classical, debate based forms of policy development, with local meetings, delegates and conferences. Within the trade union movement, an important part of the labour movement’s deliberative process, distinguishing it from Parliaments is that conferences are made-up of delegates who received mandates and so discussion occurs at both the local level on the national level. It is unfortunate that certainly within the Labour Party, too many MP’s and councillors take the Burkean view that all they owe their voters and parties is their judgement i.e. they cannot be instructed on how to vote, certainly not by local activists or even voters.

The Labour movement’s practice has grown out of the requirement of the Unions for the discipline of collective action; strikes only work if they stop work in the workplace and they need to have confidence that delegates to conference represent their members and not themselves and that all will commit to the decisions of the collective. It also has important implication for the behaviour of the losers in a strike vote.

Chessum’s article argues that much of Momentum’s democratic failure was that its Conference was abolished and the branches closed down. This was made worse by the barrier that LOTO put up to ensure that even a de-politicised Momentum did not influence LOTO, leading to the location of effective political debate becoming uniquely located amongst self-selected “senior” activists.

Will Robert’s article is more polemic, but to my mind both he and Chessum misunderstand how sortition can expose a lived experience that representatives often leave behind as they climb the ladders of representative democracy. Robert does highlight the power of leaderships in all-member ballots, citing the Momentum coup, and the 2023 UCU higher education dispute. He also values the experience of delegates which one can understand if you’ve seen the way in which Labour’s full-time staff ‘guide’ & thwart new delegates, and union bureaucracies promote the election of new delegates as a vibrancy goal.

Both authors are calling for branch and delegate structure with debate occurring and decisions made at all levels of the organisation.

I feel that much of the debate around the governance of “Your Party” and other political entities, ignores the experience of the trade union movement in resisting the Thatcherite anti-union laws, which imposed firstly individual balloting on national committees and general secretaries, then on strike ballots requiring super majorities. Individual balloting isolates people and increases the fear, it also allows the billionaire owned press to influence these ballots. The absence of debate and workplace meetings increases the isolation and fear. These rules are not neutral, they are and were designed to pacify or neutralise the unions and their membership. This is important as it has become common in progressive movements (and now the trade unions) to elect national committees by all member ballots, and to set or confirm policy using plebiscites. We also have a further example of the dissipation of radical energy by a surfeit of so-called democracy by looking at the history of Podemos, which in many ways Momentum mirrored.

For the governance and political direction of a political party, it’s crucial that political debates take place and visible democratic resolutions occur. Our two authors are concerned that decisions have the backing of the membership, because it’s movements that change society not committees, nor even parliaments. In this, I agree with them.

The decision to use Sortition on “Your Party” is almost certainly taken to ensure control by its founding leadership.

Listening harder

A huge problem in British and possibly western democratic politics is the lack of pluralism, which itself is a road to failure, and Citizens’ Assemblies are a way of introducing new ideas into a polarised debate.  In the US & UK, this is exacerbated by the winner take all nature of electoral victory and the lack of a need to continue to negotiate with your opponents.

To argue that sortition has no role in politics, is, I suggest, a mistake. Chessum, argues that there is a crisis of democracy and I would argue that sortition based citizens’ assemblies engage people who will not otherwise be engaged, as might doorstep canvassing if it was done with less cynicism.

Over the last few years, I have observed CoFoE, the EU’s ECP on virtual worlds and the Democratic Odyssey and while I can and have written essays on their weaknesses, they reach people that politics finds hard to reach and inspire them with the value of politics. They also often have different priorities to politicians. For instance, CoFoE’s citizen members having little interest in developing or even defending, the spitzenkanditaten process, or renaming the institutions and Momentum’s Council voting in favour of ‘freedom of movement’ against the wishes of its leadership.

I wouldn’t wish to argue that sortition is the best way to convene a legislature or a party’s equivalent body but I strongly believe that they help solve certain problems well. One example of its success or at least its longevity is in Ost-Belgien which has developed a standing citizens’ assembly that works with the Parliament. It only represents about 80,000 people and thus makes quota sampled citizens’ assemblies more representative and their lived experience closer to the problems they seek to solve. The Ost-Belgien government also has limited competencies. In the UK, some local authorities have experimented with citizens’ assemblies and others with neighbourhood town hall meetings to either make recommendations or even take decisions. It’s not a totally alien idea.

For more on the history and success of citizens’ assemblies, I made some notes on them at a page called “Citizens Assemblies” which captures some very heavyweight reviews including those from the OECD and the UK Parliament, together with a paper1 focusing on the UK & Ireland and performing a SWOT analysis; it also examines the resistance from the organs of representative democracy. On that page, I also link to Blokker & Gull’s paper2 on citizen’s assemblies and constitutional change.

There are known weaknesses, including the fact that members are self-selected, i.e. they need to be willing [& able] to travel and commit the time even before the statistical quota’s are applied. The selection of topics, experts and language is also a source of power and it remains very hard to isolate a citizen’s assembly from the power of lobbying either by corporations or political parties. Some of these risks can be mitigated, others remain very hard such as lobbying,

So where citizen’s assemblies are set up and given appropriate tasks, where lived experience is important and possibly the communities represented are relatively small, they enhance both democracy and the quality of decision, it shouldn’t be posed as an alternative.

People like to be listened to.


  1. POWER FROM THE PEOPLE? Citizens’ Assemblies in the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland by Frances Foley published by FES.
  2. Blokker, Paul and Gül, Volkan, Citizen Deliberation and Constitutional Change (February 15, 2023). M. Reuchamps and Y. Welp (Eds.), Deliberative Constitution-Making: Opportunities and Challenges, Routledge. Forthcoming, Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=4359555 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.4359555
  3. See also Building a permanent European Citizens Assembly (ECA) together from Citizen’s Takeover Europe.

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Digital Justice in the EU

Image Sign in front of the CJEU's Palais de la Cour de Justice

The Commission of the European Union has issued a report proposing what they call the digitalization of justice. At the moment, this is mainly about best practise, although it seems they plan to improve digital access to the European court’s case law. A commentary has been made by the EU’s agency for fundamental rights cautiously welcoming the report but highlighting both the risks to privacy and the threat that such schemes will fail to improve justice for citizens, or worse. A further commentary can be found at the EU Observer, taking an equally cautions approach.  …

The EU Hokey Cokey

dancers in a european square

I watched the first day of the EU UK parliamentary partnership assembly. The first session was on general issues & trade and the second on defence. I made some notes which you can read overleaf. Following the agenda of the meeting, I talk of Trade and Defence in two parts. Throughout, I question the UK's half hearted commitment. Use the read more button to see the whole article. ...

Parties need pluralism

Ed Miliband at #lab14

I was writing about something else, and wrote this on party management. It’s coherent, but doesn’t belong in what I am writing, and so I thought I’d share it now,

“Your Party” is planning a Sortition based founding conference. It has probably chosen this for reasons of control but, “Your Party”’s problems occur in many parties, and I am reminded of the white paper “The (Unintended) Consequences of New Labour: Party Leadership vs Party Management in the British Labour Party…, a white paper to the PSA” by Emanuelle Averil on New Labour, which examines its managerialism and the destruction of its activist commitment and influence.

The paper was published in 2015 before the General Election. I read it in 2017 and strangely ended up sitting next to her at Conference ’19. I posted my comments in a blog, A note on Emanuelle Averil’s “the unintended consequences of New Labour” and in that article I selected some quotes. While being 20 years old, these comments seem equally relevant today, particularly about the Labour Party. I quote her on how suppressing the activist layer was mistaken and led to a failure to connect to the electorate, how factionalism suppresses plurality which made renewal impossible, how triangulation led to voter alienation and its control freakery led to a toxification of its image.

We might debate about the noughties, but it’s clearly true today. …

Immigration based on compassion and dignity

Immigration based on compassion and dignity

The Government have announced major regressive changes to the Asylum regime. These are all regressive, & vindictive. They must be opposed, and those MPs & Peers opposing these measures supported. This article looks at a couple of statements in opposition, and points at the Momentum model motion. While various press sources seem to have seen the proposals, I can't find the formal government statement. (10:57), see overleaf for more ...

About the AI Boom

an AI chip on a board

Five things

  1. There’s no positive business model, they can’t replace staff, or at least not without new supervisors.
  2. They are now borrowing to invest in each other.
  3. Hallucinations are a feature, it gets things wrong,
  4. The rule base’s ownership is obscure and Code is Law
  5. It’s [deliberately] wasteful of resources which people need to live.

It’s useless as a pillar of a growth/industrial policy. …

Labour’s membership

a red rose

The Labour Party staff stopped reporting membership to  the NEC earlier this year, but they reported the end of year membership to Annual Conference and of course the electoral commission.

A number of years ago, I made  a chart  showing Labour’s membership from 1989 to 2021; I have just updated it using the end of 2024 figures.

There are stories published that Reform have overtaken Labour in terms of membership numbers; it would take an extraordinary amount of departures for this to be true. This article in the New Statesman published under a pseudonym as a gossip column is headlined as such and points at Labour List reporting the membership in Feb as 309,000. …

The downsides of the A.I. industry.

Karen Hao in front of a book shelf

I have recently, watched the YouTube video, “How tech CEOs are lying to you”, where Karen Hao is interviewed by  Aaron Bastani on Novara Media's channel. Ms Hao has just published a book, “Empire of AI” and the interview covers the topics of the book.

At the centre of her arguments are, that large language modules aka AI, and their use of resources, water, power, land and rare metals are a choice, and one that society cannot afford. She questions the business model of the AI industry, sees it as a threat to [US] wealth and notes its scofflaw approach to its own regulation and its oppression of poor and vulnerable communities. She is highly critical of the motivations of the oligarchs funding the AI bubble.

The remainder of this article, which is over 2000 words is overleaf, use the "Read More" button ....

How much has Brexit cost us?

Reuters Square, if its still called that in black and white.

While posting my notes on my reference back for Labour Conference I fell back on the OBR statistic that Brexit had cost the UK 4% of GDP. I thought a chart would have been helpful and so went looking for one.

The NIESR published an article, Revisiting the effects of Brexit, which now they’ve archived it, no longer has the chart they made from the model, but google search can still find it today.

Their model tries to disentangle the effects of the COVID slump, and the article, dated 2023, says,

These estimates suggest that Brexit had already reduced UK real GDP relative to the baseline by just under one per cent in 2020 as consumers and businesses adapted their expectations even before the TCA came into force. Our estimates further suggest that three years after the transition period, UK real GDP is some 2-3 per cent lower due to Brexit, compared to a scenario where the United Kingdom retained EU membership.

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Today’s issues for Labour

Portraits, Powell and Phillipson

Labour is holding an election for the position of Deputy Leader, I have five questions I want to ask them.

  1. Where do you stand on immigration and the fact that copying Reform legitimises and emboldens them?
  2. Where do you stand on closer relations with the EU on defence, trade and economic co-operation? Where do you stand on rejoining the single-market?
  3. Where do you stand on fiscal/monetary policy? How can we end austerity and make people feel better off and what will you do?
  4. Where do you stand on Welfare reform? Why are we increasing poverty?
  5. What do you think the Government should do about Gaza and Palestine?
  6. I believe a Deputy Leader, in fact all MPs, should represent the Party membership to the PLP and its leadership, will you start to do this?
  7. What measures will you take to turn the Party’s democracy back on?

Now how to put these questions to them. …