On Citizens’ Assemblies

Labour Conference 2019 from the balcony

“Your Party”’s decision to make their founding conference a sortition selected meeting is causing some interest, although often from observers. The two articles to/on which I am replying and commenting are Against sortition by Michael Chessum at Prometheus and For democracy, against sortition by Will Roberts in Solidarity. In this article, I look at their arguments and their proposals for democratic engagement, and then look at how sortition selected citizen assemblies can improve decision making and democratic engagement. I feel there is a danger of losing the good in citizens’ assemblies within the polemic of democratic power.

Sortition and politics

Both articles promote classical, debate based forms of policy development, with local meetings, delegates and conferences. Within the trade union movement, an important part of the labour movement’s deliberative process, distinguishing it from Parliaments is that conferences are made-up of delegates who received mandates and so discussion occurs at both the local level on the national level. It is unfortunate that certainly within the Labour Party, too many MP’s and councillors take the Burkean view that all they owe their voters and parties is their judgement i.e. they cannot be instructed on how to vote, certainly not by local activists or even voters.

The Labour movement’s practice has grown out of the requirement of the Unions for the discipline of collective action; strikes only work if they stop work in the workplace and they need to have confidence that delegates to conference represent their members and not themselves and that all will commit to the decisions of the collective. It also has important implication for the behaviour of the losers in a strike vote.

Chessum’s article argues that much of Momentum’s democratic failure was that its Conference was abolished and the branches closed down. This was made worse by the barrier that LOTO put up to ensure that even a de-politicised Momentum did not influence LOTO, leading to the location of effective political debate becoming uniquely located amongst self-selected “senior” activists.

Will Robert’s article is more polemic, but to my mind both he and Chessum misunderstand how sortition can expose a lived experience that representatives often leave behind as they climb the ladders of representative democracy. Robert does highlight the power of leaderships in all-member ballots, citing the Momentum coup, and the 2023 UCU higher education dispute. He also values the experience of delegates which one can understand if you’ve seen the way in which Labour’s full-time staff ‘guide’ & thwart new delegates, and union bureaucracies promote the election of new delegates as a vibrancy goal.

Both authors are calling for branch and delegate structure with debate occurring and decisions made at all levels of the organisation.

I feel that much of the debate around the governance of “Your Party” and other political entities, ignores the experience of the trade union movement in resisting the Thatcherite anti-union laws, which imposed firstly individual balloting on national committees and general secretaries, then on strike ballots requiring super majorities. Individual balloting isolates people and increases the fear, it also allows the billionaire owned press to influence these ballots. The absence of debate and workplace meetings increases the isolation and fear. These rules are not neutral, they are and were designed to pacify or neutralise the unions and their membership. This is important as it has become common in progressive movements (and now the trade unions) to elect national committees by all member ballots, and to set or confirm policy using plebiscites. We also have a further example of the dissipation of radical energy by a surfeit of so-called democracy by looking at the history of Podemos, which in many ways Momentum mirrored.

For the governance and political direction of a political party, it’s crucial that political debates take place and visible democratic resolutions occur. Our two authors are concerned that decisions have the backing of the membership, because it’s movements that change society not committees, nor even parliaments. In this, I agree with them.

The decision to use Sortition on “Your Party” is almost certainly taken to ensure control by its founding leadership.

Listening harder

A huge problem in British and possibly western democratic politics is the lack of pluralism, which itself is a road to failure, and Citizens’ Assemblies are a way of introducing new ideas into a polarised debate.  In the US & UK, this is exacerbated by the winner take all nature of electoral victory and the lack of a need to continue to negotiate with your opponents.

To argue that sortition has no role in politics, is, I suggest, a mistake. Chessum, argues that there is a crisis of democracy and I would argue that sortition based citizens’ assemblies engage people who will not otherwise be engaged, as might doorstep canvassing if it was done with less cynicism.

Over the last few years, I have observed CoFoE, the EU’s ECP on virtual worlds and the Democratic Odyssey and while I can and have written essays on their weaknesses, they reach people that politics finds hard to reach and inspire them with the value of politics. They also often have different priorities to politicians. For instance, CoFoE’s citizen members having little interest in developing or even defending, the spitzenkanditaten process, or renaming the institutions and Momentum’s Council voting in favour of ‘freedom of movement’ against the wishes of its leadership.

I wouldn’t wish to argue that sortition is the best way to convene a legislature or a party’s equivalent body but I strongly believe that they help solve certain problems well. One example of its success or at least its longevity is in Ost-Belgien which has developed a standing citizens’ assembly that works with the Parliament. It only represents about 80,000 people and thus makes quota sampled citizens’ assemblies more representative and their lived experience closer to the problems they seek to solve. The Ost-Belgien government also has limited competencies. In the UK, some local authorities have experimented with citizens’ assemblies and others with neighbourhood town hall meetings to either make recommendations or even take decisions. It’s not a totally alien idea.

For more on the history and success of citizens’ assemblies, I made some notes on them at a page called “Citizens Assemblies” which captures some very heavyweight reviews including those from the OECD and the UK Parliament, together with a paper1 focusing on the UK & Ireland and performing a SWOT analysis; it also examines the resistance from the organs of representative democracy. On that page, I also link to Blokker & Gull’s paper2 on citizen’s assemblies and constitutional change.

There are known weaknesses, including the fact that members are self-selected, i.e. they need to be willing [& able] to travel and commit the time even before the statistical quota’s are applied. The selection of topics, experts and language is also a source of power and it remains very hard to isolate a citizen’s assembly from the power of lobbying either by corporations or political parties. Some of these risks can be mitigated, others remain very hard such as lobbying,

So where citizen’s assemblies are set up and given appropriate tasks, where lived experience is important and possibly the communities represented are relatively small, they enhance both democracy and the quality of decision, it shouldn’t be posed as an alternative.

People like to be listened to.


  1. POWER FROM THE PEOPLE? Citizens’ Assemblies in the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland by Frances Foley published by FES.
  2. Blokker, Paul and Gül, Volkan, Citizen Deliberation and Constitutional Change (February 15, 2023). M. Reuchamps and Y. Welp (Eds.), Deliberative Constitution-Making: Opportunities and Challenges, Routledge. Forthcoming, Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=4359555 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.4359555
  3. See also Building a permanent European Citizens Assembly (ECA) together from Citizen’s Takeover Europe.

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A more hostile environment

the ECtHR building from the air and at night

On 1st September, 2025, Yvette Cooper made yet another immigration policy announcement, most startlingly, prohibiting, refugees, who enter the country irregularly from bringing their family with them: reported by the Guardian & BBC. We should bear in mind that there are no legal routes for refugees to enter the country and they have the right to claim asylum here,

In addition there’s a growing mood music inside the Government to amend, or leave the ECHR; this demans originates from the Tories and Reform and is entering the Labour Party via the parasitic Blue Labour current. It’s now being repeated by cabinet members.

We should all bear in mind that the UK is currently a good citizen as far as the ECtHR is concerned, it only appeared three times last year, and only lost once, and that was to the Daily Mail in a dispute about libel costs.

The ECHR and the UK’s Human Rights Act are designed to protect citizens that’s you and me from oppressive governments. If it’s a problem to governments, then they can easily solve their problem by behaving decently.

The Labour Campaign for Free Movement is campaigning for a motion on immigration, refugees and asylum to go to Labour Conference 25. I have set up my #lab25 conference.

Here is what the Guardian had to say,

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Happy birthday

a chocolate birthday cake

Today, is the 21st anniversary of starting this blog. The first article called “Online at last” is still available.

Back then I promised or hoped that some of what I put here, about IT issues, business and Computer Games (including Baldur’s Gate 2) will be interesting, innovative and useful. I also expect to just put some simple stuff up; stuff that does not warrant a web page, maybe I’ll x-ref my amazon book reviews and put up some that I don’t expect to publish elsewhere. I doubt I’ll be writing about either cooking or DIY. [It took a while but for various reasons I took up both although usually publish my thoughts and research on these topics a separate subsite. ] I am still writing about games too.

I catalogue the history of the site on my History & Aims page. It’s gone through phases, and today is mainly about politics and technology and technology regulation. The more personal stuff is currently posted to the wiki, and the technical stuff is often previewed on my linkedin blog. I usually cross post to Medium, where I can be followed, if you are a member and would like to follow me there.

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Creative incompetence

Creative incompetence

I wrote a piece on the Peter Principle and Creative Incompetence on my LinkedIn blog.

The Peter principle, suggests that people are promoted to levels of incompetence. I the article I argue that this is aggravated by the fact that management values management and often values task and financial management more than people management skills.

The overpromoted are often unhappy and the insightful are either lucky and work for organisations that seek to avoid these traps by recognising and rewarding individual contributors or employ a strategy of “creative incompetence”.  …

International Solidarity at GMB 25

many national flags strung accross a path

As is traditional the GMB debated international solidarity on Thursday morning although since a GMB workplace in Northern Ireland had been attacked, a delegate from that Region addressed Congress. He is followed by an address from Tariq Pollard, from the Teamsters in NY an organiser in Amazon and his full time officer,  Antonio Rosario. The organisation in Amazon grows.

The CEC chose to present a special report on International Solidarity to Congress. The paper was moved by Barbara Plant. Special report debates are longer than others because each region gets to speak. The report covered trade and the EU, middle east again, and international solidarity mainly Latin America but also including Ukraine.

After the debate on the special report, Congress was addressed by video by the Palestinian Ambassador, Dr. Husam Zomlot who thanked us for our solidarity and promised that with our help Palestinian voices will not be silenced. See also the 2024 statement on the Middle East.

We also heard, by video from the Deputy PM of Spain, Yolanda Diaz, who holds the Minister of Labour and Social Economy portfolio, and presented a  beacon of hope from one of the few social democratic governments in the world. Even though their confrontation with the far right is more acute and still massively socially divisive the Spanish government is pursuing policies of humanity, anti-poverty and anti-racism.

The video links in this article are the start points of each section I describe.

This article has been back dated to approximately the date of occurrence.


Image Credit: By Nick Fewings from unsplash using the unsplash licence. …

GMB & Trans-rights

GMB Congress 25, delegates sitting and posters on the wall

There was one motion on the issue of Trans-rights, this is/was 242. RETURN THE CONCEPT OF FEMINISM WHERE IT BELONGS on p121 of the agenda document. At the centre of this motion is the call that “the position that feminism should focus on embracing intersectionality and supporting all women, including transgender women, and not just those who conform to traditional gender norms. “ It was moved by Chiorstaidh Reichle; the moving and seconding speeches are on youtube.

I felt that both speeches were of high quality, full of empathy and knowledge.

There were also two emergency motions, (5&6) one on a workplace response primarily to the EHRC guidance since modified and one on the inadequate and un-inclusive process followed by the Supreme Ciurt and EHRC in developing their guidance.

These debates were preceded by a speech by Dr Victoria McCloud on the iniquity of the court ruling and the EHRC guidance. This is a powerful and moving speech.

The motion text is overleaf/below.  …

Universities at GMB25

a group of people from above wearing U. of Bradofrd academic gowns

I moved a motion entitled higher education, knowledge and funding.  In my speech I placed the crisis of HE funding in the context of macro-economic policy and as the results of Labour’s hostile environment. I had been inspired to write the motion as a result of Rachel Reeves autumn statement 24 and after reviewing the industrial policy white paper. The seconder of the motion made what I believe is a powerful statement in favour of universal access to higher education. In this article, below, you will find a video clip of the debate, the words of the motion and my notes, that I used to make the speech.

In this article, below or overleaf, you will find the words of the motion and my notes, that I used to make the speech. …